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Testimonio

Barbara Ledermann Rodbell
Nació: 1925, en Berlín, Alemania

Describe cuando recibió sus primeros documentos falsos [Entrevista: 1990]

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I met a fellow named Art Verstijgen and he had a friend who he told me could get me false papers. Art came to me and he said, "It is time for you to start thinking." Now he was Dutch, he was not Jewish. And he said to me, "It is time for you to start thinking about...uh...doing something about not going." I said, "Art, where do you come off? You know, where do you say such a...?" He said, "I have a friend who told me all about it." And he said, "You need papers." And he said, "It'll be three hundred gulden." I remember that. Three hundred gulden. That was a lot of money, you know. And I came home and I said to my mother that I needed the money and she said, "What for?" And I said, "For the papers." And she said, "Tomorrow, when you go back to school, you'll have it." And those were my first false papers. And they were very bad. But, they saved my life. And, uh, on the papers...in...in those days, at the early days, the...the false papers were of people who died or people who had happened to have really lost them, or...uh...various ways that you could get papers, and what they would do is they would take out the picture of the person--the original person--and insert your...your picture, and your fingerprint, and whatever else they had to cha...to change. And, of course, these were not...uh...papers that had a "J" on it, which stood for...identity papers without a "J." Um, they looked very authentic. Now mine was of a 22-year-old girl. I was 17, maybe, and I looked like 13. Pigtails, little. So, they were unlikely papers, if anybody really stood there and looked at it and it said, this girl is 22 years old, you know. So those were my papers. And I had 'em.

I met a fellow named Art Verstijgen and he had a friend who he told me could get me false papers. Art came to me and he said, "It is time for you to start thinking." Now he was Dutch, he was not Jewish. And he said to me, "It is time for you to start thinking about...uh...doing something about not going." I said, "Art, where do you come off? You know, where do you say such a...?" He said, "I have a friend who told me all about it." And he said, "You need papers." And he said, "It'll be three hundred gulden." I remember that. Three hundred gulden. That was a lot of money, you know. And I came home and I said to my mother that I needed the money and she said, "What for?" And I said, "For the papers." And she said, "Tomorrow, when you go back to school, you'll have it." And those were my first false papers. And they were very bad. But, they saved my life. And, uh, on the papers...in...in those days, at the early days, the...the false papers were of people who died or people who had happened to have really lost them, or...uh...various ways that you could get papers, and what they would do is they would take out the picture of the person--the original person--and insert your...your picture, and your fingerprint, and whatever else they had to cha...to change. And, of course, these were not...uh...papers that had a "J" on it, which stood for...identity papers without a "J." Um, they looked very authentic. Now mine was of a 22-year-old girl. I was 17, maybe, and I looked like 13. Pigtails, little. So, they were unlikely papers, if anybody really stood there and looked at it and it said, this girl is 22 years old, you know. So those were my papers. And I had 'em.

En 1933 la familia de Barbara se mudó a Ámsterdam en Holanda. Se hicieron amigos de Ana Frank y su familia. Los alemanes invadieron Holanda en 1940. El novio de Barbara, Manfred, tenía contactos en la resistencia y ella pudo obtener documentos falsos. Su madre, hermana, y padre fueron deportados al campo de Westerbork y luego a Auschwitz. Barbara sobrevivió usando sus documentos falsos y trabajó para la resistencia. Ayudó llevando judíos a lugares para esconderse y también escondió a judíos en un departamento alquilado bajo su nombre falso.

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